What makes a “good” data center?
Across the United States, people are pushing back against data centers and demanding more public oversight and public benefit, often passing moratoriums, or pauses, on their construction.
But what if we had other options? What can compute infrastructure look like if approached as public AI—centering public access, accountability, and sustainability? A growing number of advocates are pushing for meaningful alternatives that expand access to computing power without compromising the public interest.
On September 10th from noon-2pm ET, Aspen Digital hosted a virtual event featuring a variety of builders and thinkers who are reimagining what data centers could be, from tiny distributed networks to public-owned utilities. We discussed the role of librarians, farmers, community advocates, and all of us in creating a more public computing future.
Agenda
Moderated by B Cavello, Director of Emerging Technologies for Aspen Digital
What is a data center, anyway?
DIY & COMMUNITY COMPUTE
- Preston Rhea, Principal, Tech and Society Studio, HR&A Advisors
- Dr. Tara Merk, Postdoctoral Researcher, Weizenbaum Institute
- Rob Lach, Founder, Love Computing
- Dr. Andre Kudra, Co-Founder, real-cis GmbH; CIO, esatus AG
How can data centers be environmentally beneficial?
RESILIENCE & REGENERATION
- Dr. Sasha Luccioni, Co-founder& Chief Scientific Officer, Sustainable AI Group
- Tony Lai, Fellow, Stanford CodeX & Public AI
Why would you want a data center in your community?
SHARED BENEFITS & LOCAL CONTROL
- Matthew Victor, Executive Director for Digital Civic Infrastructure, Partners In Democracy
- Larissa Schiavo, CEO, Grove Research
- Matthew “Speygee” Douglas, Broadband Manager, Hoopa Valley Public Utilities District
- Dr. Dorn Cox, Research Director & Ecosystem Steward, OpenTEAM
RESOURCES FROM SPEAKERS
- Public Municipal Data Centers: An essay, also presented at A New Compact for Connectivity: Internet Infrastructure in the Public Interest, hosted by the Benton Institute.
- Trends in AI Supercomputers: This paper documents trends in aggregate performance of AI supercompute ownership over time by the public and private sector.
- The Farm Hack Box: A hardware initiative of Farm Hack, a community of individuals and organizations coming together to develop and share tools of all kinds, in the name of open-source knowledge and resilient agricultural systems.
- Ethical Technology Assessment: This is the OpenTEAM draft ethical technology assessment framework that we have been developing with the Grassroots innovation Assembly for Agroecology (GIAA) and Farm Hack.
- Cooperative Data Centers: Lessons from GAD eG: This is an in-depth case study of a very successful cooperative data center group with discussion indicating where under what circumstances this model may work in the case of AI.
- Community Data Centers: The website of a research project that investigates community data centres as an alternative to corporate, shareholder-owned data centres. Hosted by the Weizenbaum Institute in Berlin.
- Local-first software: You own your data, in spite of the cloud: This article explores the strategic case for “local-first software,” including existing approaches and findings from development.
- The Policies Communities Need to Confront the AI Data Center Race: A policy brief from The Institute for Local Self-Reliance. A collection of a few policy proposals, many of which were touched upon in this webinar.
- Decentralization and AI: A Linux Foundation Report based on surveying practitioners and advocates. It is from late 2024, so the space has taken a step forward but the rationale and vision is there.
- Asynchronous Federated Learning on Heterogeneous Devices: A survey of the state of asynchronous federated learning including how the ecosystem is evolving.
SELECTED Q&A
What is distinct about small and distributed compute?
Rob Lach
The simplest way to think about small and distributed compute is that where computing happens determines three things: what it costs to build, who controls it, and which laws apply to the data it touches.
Going smaller lets you put computing in spaces that don’t require massive capital to activate and gives you agency over how that compute happens. You don’t need a huge infrastructure buildout, just leverage what’s already there.
The tradeoff is bandwidth. Matching a datacenter’s capability with smaller compute comes down to minimizing how much data has to move and being deliberate about where it lives.
For example, more local compute has a latency advantage, but moving large amounts of data around is harder. A lot of work in distributed computing is focused on how to make this part easier and connecting all the smaller computing infrastructure together.
In a legal sense, if your users have sensitive data that lives locally, it’s beneficial to not send that around and instead send the applications to the data.
What are some of the benefits of municipal compute for the municipalities and the people who live there?
Preston Rhea
I think there are first some benefits around having sensitive data processing in-house, and being able to possibly exit having to have external cloud contracts – signs are pointing to compute becoming more and more expensive through this boom and the power of the new models that are coming out. Having a resource of first resort so there aren’t something approaching “compute outages” for modern services could be attractive.
I think the longer term benefits are about having a public option at all that may provide some surplus resource. In the right configurations, that resource could be a seed for community involvement, economic development, and building the capacity of a municipality to attract key talent to work for the public good rather than for only a private concern. Have to build the stage for someone to sing on it!
How does free open source software fit in?
Speygee Douglas
For the Hoopa Tribe we have two sides: 1. We have to keep overhead low and open source is heavily used due to that. 2. Software is not developed with Tribes in mind so we need to build that ourselves. Either we can make it from scratch or build off of open source. Where open source wins is the self-host option which allows the access to be hyper-local.
We’re trying to bake eco-labelling at our org so our customers can choose their AI models based on carbon emission. Could you direct us to org/research institutions who’re capturing some metrics on model emissions?
Larissa Schiavo
Epoch AI has some great resources
Speaking about data center cooling — can you speak to the use of PFAS liquids in immersion cooling?
Rob Lach
When it comes to PFAS-based fluids and data center immersion cooling we’re usually talking about two-phase cooling systems where an operator can leverage the fluid phase-change for additional cooling efficiency.
How these fluids work is that they are non-conductive (so an operator can fill a tank and submerge the computing hardware directly), have a low boiling point (so hot chips easily boil the fluid around them, pulling heat away through the liquid-to-gas phase change), and consequently condense at a low temperature (so the vapor readily turns back to liquid on a water-cooled radiator above and drips back into the pool). The primary benefits are that heat is moved off the chips without plumbing coolant to each one, operating temperatures are generally lower, and water use is lower than in a typical water-cooled system (because condensing the vapor takes less cooling than carrying heat directly off the chips with water).
The negatives are the many opportunities for PFAS-based fluids to escape these cooling systems and contaminate the environments where these types of data centers would be living. Maintenance of the computing hardware requires lifting the equipment out of these fluid baths to allow as much of the fluid to drip off as possible. Then the equipment is often submerged in a second bath of rinsing chemicals that washes off the remaining coolant and produces a waste product. The riskiest part is that containing gaseous PFAS fluid is difficult and an operator would need to engineer redundant capture systems within the facility to capture leaks during typical operation.
From a cost perspective an operator would be incentivized to keep these fluids contained, but even in the marketing materials of these chemicals they allude to “lowered” fluid maintenance costs assuming they’ll have to be topped off. A simple way to measure how much is leaving containment is by just metering how much they’re adding back to the system.
There is also a world of immersion cooling that doesn’t use these fluorocarbon-based fluids. A good portion of our electrical grid infrastructure is immersion cooled with mineral oil for example. These don’t leverage the phase-change effects so it often makes less sense than water cooling the chips directly.
I work for a large city, and we are currently transitioning most of our on-prem servers to cloud services, because of the reliability and efficiency benefits. Small-scale data centers simply can’t compete with the energy efficiency of the hyperscalers. But establishing city-owned compute offers unique benefits for data security, control of the energy mix, etc. How should we think about the efficiency challenges of scaling public-owned data centers?
Preston Rhea
Speaking only for public municipal scale compute – once a city has made the decision that it is worth having this resource and maintaining some control and expertise over it, rather than doing it all externally, I think the key is that the resource can start very small and scale without a lot of fuss. It’s unlikely that suddenly a city would need to go from one rack to a whole newly built building for anything it needs for compute. The capital outlay is much smaller than for something like a municipal broadband network. So you don’t have to start with something big, but can start with the smallest possible unit. The worst outcome is just that you have to go back to cloud contracts, not that you are left with a ton of debt.
Is public ownership of compute (collectively or privately at the individual level) a better option for securing public control of AI?
Rob Lach
Definitely.
The compute is the closest to a commodity that exists in our computing ecosystem and easily adapted for current and future use cases. For example, a recent trend is measuring computing capacity in Trillion Operations Per Second, or TOPS, purely because AI models are generally agnostic to what kind of computers they are running on and knowing the computing throughput will reveal how a range of AI models will perform on those systems.
The AI models themselves vary in how many TOPS they need to accomplish equivalent tasks so model builders are competing to make their systems more efficient. Taking ownership in a particular model or company would be a bet on a particular approach that could be entirely obsolete by the next innovation.
Access to compute capacity is currently positioned as the most effective moat the large AI labs have created for themselves. If the public were to take a stake in anything, a stake in the underlying computing infrastructure, be it collectively or building capacity individually amongst ourselves, not only creates a more broadly accessible market for AI builders , but also provides the public some agency towards aligning digital services with our needs (which includes more control over how the data we create is utilized).
How important is it to ensure that every individual and every enterprise has one single unique identity that has been authenticated by a governing authority to insure that the individual or enterprise is real, not a bot?
Andre Kudra
This is very much needed and worked on by a global community for many years. The individual-hosted/-controlled data space, as promoted by Tim Berners-Lee with Solid, is fantastic but has not really taken off yet. The tides may change now.
For organizational identity, there’s lots going on but focus in many jurisdictions is still on natural person identity. The EU is about to launch a Digital Identity Wallet for citizens as an offer for them to store data artifacts in a decentralized fashion. Going live at the end of the year. The expectation is that the EU will pass a similar law pertaining to organizations, under the label EU Business Wallet. Will take some time, then – from passed law to into force is 24 months.
What’s already there and could do the trick globally: Legal Entity Identifiers (LEI) governed by the Global LEI Foundation (GLEIF).
Such an LEI could be used to attribute who’s doing, owning and mandating what, also in AI. There’s a cryptographically verifiable variant as well, vLEI.
Has anyone seen any research on alternative “incentive” structures that can shape at the front end the “business model” for AI? Applying our lessons learned from the era of social media introduction, looking back, if regulatory frameworks had focused on shaping the nature of incentives for Social Media business models, our world would be very different.
Rob Lach
My understanding is that the impacts of LLMs are more dire than the impacts of social media:
Some research I’ve come across that’s broadly looking at alternative approaches:
- The Prosocial Ranking Challenge: Reducing Polarization on Social Media without Sacrificing Engagement
- Measuring and mitigating overreliance to build human-compatible AI
Also, not exactly speaking to these concerns directly but more broadly towards to who’s interest AI is working for:
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